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gingertart50 (gingertart50) wrote,
@ 2009-01-15 20:13:00

Current mood:

confused

I wanna pick your brainzzzz.....
I haven't got time to re-read DH 'cos I'm writing a rather hooj fic for a fest, so can anyone tell me, how good (or bad) were Harry and Draco at wandless magic, by the end of DH? Could they do anything at all without their wands? Your thoughts on this would be very welcome.

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ciraarana
2009-01-15 02:28 pm UTC (link)

I've been forced to re-read DH five times for my thesis, but I can't remember occasions of wandless magic. Um, apart from once, when Harry said Lumos and his wand ignited, I think. So, I'd say, canon has them pretty bad. On the other hand, by DH everyone was on the very far side of stupid, so I wouldn't believe anything the book said.

On what canon up to DH showed, I'd say they would be able to do basics, like Lumos and Nox, perhaps Wingardium Leviosa, as long as the wand was close by. And Accio the wand, of course. Otherwise, the only wandless magic in canon is Potions and, well. We are familiar with Harry's stunning abilities. :)

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	gingertart50 2009-01-15 02:34 pm UTC (link)
	FIVE times? Oh you poor thing! Hm, that's what I thought. So a captured wizard whose wand has been taken, is going to be pretty helpless.... Many thanks, that helps a lot! goes off to plot (Reply to this) (Parent)

	gingertart50 2009-01-15 03:00 pm UTC (link)
	Another brain-picking question - did Draco ever take the Dark Mark? (Sorry about this - so little time, so much fic to write....) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

leela_cat
2009-01-15 03:03 pm UTC (link)

I can answer this one, because I've been through HBP and DH a few times trying to figure this one out. The answer is... ... it's up to you.

Seriously.

Harry theorises that Draco has taken the Dark Mark in HBP when he sees Draco reacting strangely when Madam Malkin goes too near his arm during a fitting, and because he shows Borgin/Burke his arm when persuading him to help in his quest. However, it's just a theory and no one in canon actually sees the mark on Draco's arm. So, theoretically, you could go in either direction.

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	gingertart50 2009-01-15 03:15 pm UTC (link)
	Oo, thank you! I've read so much fanfic that it's impossible to tell what's canon now. Apart from Snape surviving. That's canon. nods furiously It is, I tell you! I do believe in fairies, I do! I do! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

leela_cat
2009-01-15 03:19 pm UTC (link)

Of course that's canon. If she wanted him to really really be dead, she should have written a better scene and had a doctor nearby to certify him dead. Not a bunch of 17 year old kids who wouldn't know the difference between someone in a coma and a dead body, even if they weren't worrying about saving their lives and their world. Talk about unreliable narrators.

And just because she said he was dead in interviews afterwards means absolutely nothing. She should have had him officially declared dead in that bloody awful epilogue or somewhere else in the book.

Okay, I'll stop ranting now. *grins*

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ciraarana
2009-01-16 12:07 am UTC (link)

No worries. It's nice to know the torture was good for something. ;)

It's never said explicitly in the text whether Draco took the Mark or not. Harry's never exactly seen it, but the implication is that we can trust Harry's conviction in HBP that Draco took it (he's present at the DE meeting in the first chapter of DH). And Rowling said in an interview that he did. So, if you are inclined to believe Harry (and Rowling), Draco took the Dark Mark. If you'd like to think that Voldemort would be sensible enough not to Mark a teenager who lives at boarding school - communal showers? dorm?? people aren't blind - then Draco isn't Marked.

I'd prefer to think that Voldemort didn't lose all common sense with the creation of the last Horcurx.

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